Transcript of Interview with Abousfian Abdelrazik

Jul 19, 2010

Transcript of Interview with Abousfian Abdelrazik

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This is the transcript of an interview that is also posted on this site. The interview focused on Abdelrazik's life since he returned to Montreal in June of 2009. Check out: http://www.peoplescommission.org/en/abdelrazik/ to learn more about his situation.

    Actually the 1267 (list) is completely affecting my life and this started while I was in Sudan. The Canadian government used it as a (reason) not to allow me to come back to Canada. Even though it is not the truth that the 1267 is supposed to (stop) me from coming back to Canada, the Canadian government used it as a tool to stop me from coming back to Canada, to come home.
    When I came back to Canada, the 1267 (list) still blocked me away from many things. For example… everybody in Canada is supposed to have many things, which makes their lives normal. For example, I think everybody in Canada has a bank account, or the majority of the people in Canada have bank accounts because it is difficult to deal with different financial obligations if you don't have a bank account. For example, when I came back, I tried to have a bank account. I was refused because my name was on that list.
    1267 forbid(s) the people to deal with me financially and if I had been hired by an employer and given a salary, this, because of the regulation of 1267, it is a crime. And the person who gives me money, he would be accused because of 1267. And this prevents me from having a job and supporting myself and my family.
    I cannot travel even inside Canada, to take a plane to go anywhere because my name is on that list. Also, the regulations of the list forbid me to travel (outside of Canada).
    1267, it makes me separated from the rest of the community, mentally. Physically, I'm with people, on the street, but mentally I am not. I'm really separated from the people because I cannot do the same thing, which people are doing. And this is not very easy, to feel yourself, from (30 million) persons in Canada, to be the only person who is not allowed to do the things that other people are usually doing in the day and the night. This is very painful feeling.
    For example, after I received the exemption from the UN, I went to the bank to collect some money, the amount I'm supposed to collect every month. And when I went to the bank, I had my telephone bill. I wanted to pay it through the bank - this is usual and normal. For me, I don't imagine that the bank is going to refuse to pay my bill because this service is offered to any customer of that bank. I was astonished when the person at the bank, I asked to pay my bill through my account and he refused. For me, this was not pleasant. This kind of rejection… even with my own money. I want to pay my things from my own money. I don't ask the bank to pay for me or to give me a donation to pay my bill – it is from my own money. But when I find out I can't do it, for me, it is something ridiculous.
    I have been very careful because I know if I try to do normal things, that means I'm going to deal with the people and if I deal with the people that means I put them in trouble. Me, I do six years in trouble and I know what ugly trouble is. So I avoid many things (so as) not to be in touch with the people because I don't want the people to be in trouble. For example I won't look for a job because I do not want to put somebody into problems with the government.
    Even just because it is a crime that maybe these people, when I go with somebody to a restaurant or whatever, I am really just afraid of being followed by the authorities, that they are going to stop and accuse this person. (They are going) to give that person trouble. All the time, you know, just like living in fear all the time about the people because I don't want the people to be in trouble and to live in fear all the time. This is not a very good thing. (It) means your life is not normal and waiting to be disturbed by something. I don't feel comfortable in (this) situation.